Comments on: MY… Where Has The Time Gone? http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone Christian Hardcore, Ska, Punk, and Oi! Music Blog and Forum Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:36:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: seth http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-3072 seth Sat, 26 Jun 2010 20:25:12 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-3072 Agreed. How about a post on some DIY pointers to promoting and booking shows? Some of us have no clue. Agreed. How about a post on some DIY pointers to promoting and booking shows? Some of us have no clue.

]]> By: dave http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2970 dave Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:38:02 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2970 Doug, your opinion is fully respected but I disagree with you... First, what is wrong with using a booking agent? Many bands (myself included) book our shows ourselves as well as going through our manager. This helps us to get more shows, as well as shows with bigger and/or more established bands. The reason we want to continue getting these shows is to grow as a band, and as a ministry. Things are not the same now as they we're back in the glory days of "hardcore". When things like this change you have to change with it, its just the way things work. What worked in the 90's is not longer effective now. Second, how are you going to compare the Son of God to a typical hardcore band in the scene. "Jesus Christ did not need a booking agent to tell him when he could do his work." This is a logical fallacy. You cannot compare the work of Christ to the work of a Christian hardcore band. Thirdly, You cannot fault a band for making money. I will agree with you that it is ridiculous for a "Christian" band to have their main focus on wealth. By this point, anyone in the scene trying to become rich should just quit and get a day job, even for signed bands selling out clubs, money is tight. Also, "get a job?" For a local band, of course, but if one is constantly touring, trying to make music a full-time gig, a flexible job is hard to come by. Your response is much easier said than done . My point being, you cannot fault a band for wanting to support themselves through music. If their hearts are in the right place there is absolutely nothing wrong making money as a band. I do agree with you, however, that the "scene" has it's issues. Mainly with "christian"/ministry-minded bands doing very little to actually make an impact while they play. If your band exists as a ministry (which every band that calls themselves christian should be) then your focus should be on pointing people towards Christ. But again, you cannot fault a band for getting help through booking agencies and for trying to make a bit of money on merch. Doug, your opinion is fully respected but I disagree with you…
First, what is wrong with using a booking agent? Many bands (myself included) book our shows ourselves as well as going through our manager. This helps us to get more shows, as well as shows with bigger and/or more established bands. The reason we want to continue getting these shows is to grow as a band, and as a ministry. Things are not the same now as they we’re back in the glory days of “hardcore”. When things like this change you have to change with it, its just the way things work. What worked in the 90′s is not longer effective now.
Second, how are you going to compare the Son of God to a typical hardcore band in the scene. “Jesus Christ did not need a booking agent to tell him when he could do his work.” This is a logical fallacy. You cannot compare the work of Christ to the work of a Christian hardcore band.
Thirdly, You cannot fault a band for making money. I will agree with you that it is ridiculous for a “Christian” band to have their main focus on wealth. By this point, anyone in the scene trying to become rich should just quit and get a day job, even for signed bands selling out clubs, money is tight. Also, “get a job?” For a local band, of course, but if one is constantly touring, trying to make music a full-time gig, a flexible job is hard to come by. Your response is much easier said than done . My point being, you cannot fault a band for wanting to support themselves through music. If their hearts are in the right place there is absolutely nothing wrong making money as a band.
I do agree with you, however, that the “scene” has it’s issues. Mainly with “christian”/ministry-minded bands doing very little to actually make an impact while they play. If your band exists as a ministry (which every band that calls themselves christian should be) then your focus should be on pointing people towards Christ. But again, you cannot fault a band for getting help through booking agencies and for trying to make a bit of money on merch.

]]> By: ChrisL http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2969 ChrisL Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:03:54 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2969 yeah i completely agree, even though im 17 my brother was into the old scene while i was starting primary school. So naturally, growing up listening to gorilla biscuits and such, ive been goign to shows. And im generally dissapointed. Theres bands that wont even talk to kids or just brush them off, if a kid introduces himself they call him a 'sweater'. not to mention somewhat succesful local bands not giving up and comers a shot on their lineup, its ridiculous. yeah i completely agree, even though im 17 my brother was into the old scene while i was starting primary school. So naturally, growing up listening to gorilla biscuits and such, ive been goign to shows. And im generally dissapointed. Theres bands that wont even talk to kids or just brush them off, if a kid introduces himself they call him a ‘sweater’. not to mention somewhat succesful local bands not giving up and comers a shot on their lineup, its ridiculous.

]]> By: UncleSamWifey http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2968 UncleSamWifey Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:08:32 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2968 I really think this is the evolution of music and the scene in general.I remember going to shows 10 years ago and people in their 20's (I was in my teens),saying the same old 'It isn't like it use to be...' And the fact is...it never will be like it use to be.NIV will never be as amazing as they were,and so on and so forth.I remember being at NIV's last Cstone show and then being around for their comeback show at Cstone.Stuff changes,people change and that is the way of the world.It sucks.I haven't been to a show in a few years due to the fact...uh,I work full time and provide for a family,and take care of my crib midget.The whole orchestration of my personal life to even go out on a Friday night is pretty epic.That is just my side of all of this. I think riders and agencies is pretty funny.I remember trying to book OC Supertones in '00 or '01,and they needed so much that 2 kids in a youth group couldn't provide.But alas,most hardcore bands could do fine with some pizza and a floor to sleep on. I am saddened if bands nowadays are pulling the whole 'speak to my agent' card.Many bands over the years have been approachable to the kids and that was what made shows so awesome,and the friendships I made and others. I really think this is the evolution of music and the scene in general.I remember going to shows 10 years ago and people in their 20′s (I was in my teens),saying the same old ‘It isn’t like it use to be…’ And the fact is…it never will be like it use to be.NIV will never be as amazing as they were,and so on and so forth.I remember being at NIV’s last Cstone show and then being around for their comeback show at Cstone.Stuff changes,people change and that is the way of the world.It sucks.I haven’t been to a show in a few years due to the fact…uh,I work full time and provide for a family,and take care of my crib midget.The whole orchestration of my personal life to even go out on a Friday night is pretty epic.That is just my side of all of this.

I think riders and agencies is pretty funny.I remember trying to book OC Supertones in ’00 or ’01,and they needed so much that 2 kids in a youth group couldn’t provide.But alas,most hardcore bands could do fine with some pizza and a floor to sleep on.

I am saddened if bands nowadays are pulling the whole ‘speak to my agent’ card.Many bands over the years have been approachable to the kids and that was what made shows so awesome,and the friendships I made and others.

]]> By: xSKOTx http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2963 xSKOTx Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:53:01 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2963 I definitely lean on Doug's side of the argument, but I'd love to see an open discussion about this posted. I definitely lean on Doug’s side of the argument, but I’d love to see an open discussion about this posted.

]]> By: Doug http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2961 Doug Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:23:00 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2961 And you assuming that I have not been there is very one sided as well. The fact is that when you say that it is dog eat dog, that is one thing. But you are right when you say it is not the same as it was however many years ago that it was. But the fact is it is the band's fault. I was in a band that we made ends meet on the road doing stuff ourselves. My current band books stuff and we survive. And yes this is one side of the story, because this is my story. Bands these days are being treated like rock stars. This scene was never supposed to be about that stuff. So if you would peronally like to talk to me about this, then by all means please do so. Because I would like to talk to someone that has been (and I am assuming that you are) doing this stuff since at least the mid 90's. You can email me at doug AT hxcchristian DOT com And you assuming that I have not been there is very one sided as well. The fact is that when you say that it is dog eat dog, that is one thing. But you are right when you say it is not the same as it was however many years ago that it was. But the fact is it is the band’s fault. I was in a band that we made ends meet on the road doing stuff ourselves. My current band books stuff and we survive. And yes this is one side of the story, because this is my story. Bands these days are being treated like rock stars. This scene was never supposed to be about that stuff. So if you would peronally like to talk to me about this, then by all means please do so. Because I would like to talk to someone that has been (and I am assuming that you are) doing this stuff since at least the mid 90′s. You can email me at doug AT hxcchristian DOT com

]]> By: FBS http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2960 FBS Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:03:18 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2960 not to throw stones at your glass house, but this really is taking in one side of the story. you have made alot of good points and i 100% respect your oppinion. but unless you have been out there touring relentlessly in the last 3-5 years,you only know what you are seeing. THIS IS NOT THE SAME GAME WE GREW UP WITH 10,15,20 EVEN 25 YEARS AGO!!!!! punk or hardcore. there are too many bands out and not enough scene. its dog eat dog right now in the music "biz" and everyong has to step up their game,even DIY bands, and if you dont step up your game you might as well stop playing. ill be more than happy to share from a fulltime touring bands side if anyone is interested. not to throw stones at your glass house, but this really is taking in one side of the story. you have made alot of good points and i 100% respect your oppinion. but unless you have been out there touring relentlessly in the last 3-5 years,you only know what you are seeing. THIS IS NOT THE SAME GAME WE GREW UP WITH 10,15,20 EVEN 25 YEARS AGO!!!!! punk or hardcore. there are too many bands out and not enough scene. its dog eat dog right now in the music “biz” and everyong has to step up their game,even DIY bands, and if you dont step up your game you might as well stop playing.
ill be more than happy to share from a fulltime touring bands side if anyone is interested.

]]> By: Josh http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2954 Josh Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:24:00 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2954 I AGREE, THE SCENE IS GETTING QUITE DILUTED AND IT IS TROUBLING. LET'S TAKE IT BACK! I AGREE, THE SCENE IS GETTING QUITE DILUTED AND IT IS TROUBLING. LET’S TAKE IT BACK!

]]> By: xSKOTx http://hxcchristian.com/617/my-where-has-the-time-gone/comment-page-1#comment-2953 xSKOTx Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:18:45 +0000 http://hxcchristian.com/?p=617#comment-2953 Amen. I'm glad that this is being brought to the light. The hardcore scene seems to be consistently straying further from its roots. I'm not in this for money or fame, I'm not in this to be some tough guy in a crew, I'm in it because it is how I express myself. Amen.

I’m glad that this is being brought to the light. The hardcore scene seems to be consistently straying further from its roots. I’m not in this for money or fame, I’m not in this to be some tough guy in a crew, I’m in it because it is how I express myself.

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